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It Was ALMOST A Great Game That Has Everything | | Steve-A-Roonie from Cardiff !!! says (28/Jan/2003): | Let me begin by saying that i absolutely love this game..despite its little glitches because simply there is nothing out there that comes close to it. A long time admirer of the ISS series and then have made the natural progression to the latest franchise. I will try to put something on this board which i havent read so far. To the game itself. It has made advancements on the first game. When tackled i no longer feel the frustration of watching my player seemingly paralysed on the screen. Although in this new incarnation i have noticed that there is a similar problem when the player is thrown sideways off the ball (very annoying) but all part and parcel of the game, but it would be nice to see it rectified fully for PES3 i think. The commentary, well what can anyone say about this which hasnt been said already ? We all know it, its just downright poor. Thinking back its an improvement on the first game but that doest really take much. No great achievement on the commentary then. Also the music which accompanies the replays is nothing short of mind numbingly awful. I often find myself playing with the tv muted and music on to prevent from putting myself through the ordeal. It seems to me that the players runs, while slightly improved from PES are still leaving somewhat to be desired. At times it is spot on, but too often i wonder how the likes of Zidane and Ronaldo are making the worlds crappest runs ever. It makes no sense. The computer ai does not do much to impress either, too often i find that the game seems to flow in an obvious pattern, with me attacking and the computer blasting a long clearance forward and me building another attack from defence, consequently 9 games out of 10 go one way only super human goalkeeping seems to make any difference in matches.
On a number of occasions it seems the passing mechanisim was designed by the devil itself as seemingly more often than not the computer chooses the more difficult passing option. Fortunately manual passing can aid this annoyance over time, but for beginners is probably not the best option. The new master league format is greatly improved and is a welcome change from the pretty basic fromat experienced in the first outing, with improved league structure and cup competitions. The ability to edit team names and information is also another handy new feature as it has meant that i can finally play as Arsenal and not London, while Europort can once again be Liverpool and so on. Onto my biggest grievence, Emile Heskey can actually score on the game, which isnt a reflection of real life ! Its still the best out there, wipes the floor with fifa but still has a long way to go before it is the total game that many people feel it can become.
| Great Game - The Best Football Sim On The Market | | MikeYee.co.uk from Wirral, UK says (29/May/2003): | Before I decided to write a review I looked at quite a few that people had written and most of the flaws I had to laugh at.
Firstly, the 1-2 function has not disappeared - if you can't be bothered to read the booklet then you won't know how to do it! It's on page 9 of the instruction booklet! Fair enough, Konami have changed how it is carried out but it is still there. And you can also find out the various moves a player can do by using the new 'Tutorial' training option.
And the reason why Konami can't have all the football teams like Fifa can is in the title. Fifa has the official FIFA licence and therefore can use all the names, teams, kits, stadiums as they have the official rights. Pro Evolution 2 only has a FIFPro licence which limits them to a few countries - hence there are no Dutch players names and Arsenal are 'London'. But these consmetic problems can be changed by simply renaming the teams/players. And Konami have decided to have a selection of Master (or Champions) League teams you can play with. I know supporters of the lower teams are a little disappointed but I'd rather have very detailed World Class European teams.
Konami's attention to detail on every player is fantastic. You can tell who each player is and they have different playing styles - unlike Fifa. Beckhams movement and kicking technique are just an example. In Fifa they have made a better effort with the looks of the individual players but they all run and play the same! Each team is like playing with 11 ryan gigg's with different faces! Fair enough - some players are over/underated, but you cannot expect Konami to get EVERY single player spot on. You can change their appearence and their skill levels if it really bothers you.
And people who complain about the gameplay are probably not very good at it - and constantly hold down R1 and X! The through ball can't be just used whenever, you have to pick the right moment to do it which is part of the challenge. I'm sure those complaining about how some features are bad and don't seem to work very well (such as the shooting, passing, etc.) watch a lot of football but don't/can't play football themselves!
Overall, of course there are flaws, no game is perfect - but there are soooo many great aspects to this game. This is simply the BEST Football Sim out there. Each version of this GAME have been better than the last and I'm sure Konami will do us proud in Pro Evolution 3 when it's out this Xmas. Even Fifa 2003 have copied the Pro Evolution series by making R1 run, having power bars etc. But there is only ONE Soccer Sim and Pro Evolution 2 is it. Until the 3rd one of course ;)
| WHAT THE HELL IS THAT ALL ABOUT? | | Hankyil from London, Great Britain says (3/May/2003): | I am a great footy fan and I have enjoyed football games from Italia 90' on the Sega Megadrive to Fifa 00' on the Plystation but it has come to my attention that this game doesn't quite fit the bill. yes it has brilliant gameplay but for a game of such a great mixture of gameplay makes to back up its potential i am not overly impressed. The clud teams selection are crud, they have something in the region of 19-25 club teams only!! There are thousands of club teams in the world so whats going on there? Also because some of the makers of the game I found out are Chealsea fans they have been biost by shoving Chealsea FC in the game and therefore also making Chealsea (no offence to Chealsea fans) rated better than they actually are. Also the game is sad because there is something you can do to score everytime, get the ball to the right wing by passing, then run up with winger (pass again to another winger if that option is open to avoid completely getting tackeld)run to the corner flag, go in to the 6-yard box and shoot so only half the shot power bar is displayed, and whats this GOAL! what a suprise, i beat Brazil with Sweden on Hard 4-2 doing it this way I mean what the hell? The crowd grafix are terrible, ok i admit i will let them get away with that as all footy game have terrible crown graphics but im sure they could have at least tried to have done better. If the opposing team passes the ball and the computer is controlling the player nearest andd has the perfect chance to run forward an intercept the ball what does the computer do?? back off the player and let the pass get through. And another thing, if you pass the ball to another player on your team and all the player has to do is just make a little run to get the ball the player just stands there and evntually the computer gets the ball, GRR! Perhaps i have justified this game a little hardly, it is a great game its true but the fact is i am rating it on the grounds of the makers of the game and what they could have been able to achieve with what they had to play woth, i give the avtual game rating 7/10, if the game was made by FIFA i would give it 10/10 , the would be beyond beleif if FIFA made the game.
| "Lets hope the players give us a game that will excite the fans" | | matthew P from Hartlepool, north east england (yes im a monkey hanger!) says (15/Jan/2003): | This game was eagerly awaited and came with a bang! its a great game the graphics are great! (not as good as fifas but who cares fifas "not in the same league"). Like most of the other reviews on this im going to mention the oranges )034, 056 etc etc etc, Wot the hell is that! i know they don't have copy right so they carn't mention player names but they could have made an effort like they did with the brazilian side, ( roberto LARCOS etc), at least people know who they are on about. there are afew little niggles with the controls and player responses as well like when your running toward goal and you're still holding the run button the player tryes a very iratating "lob" shot, because you forgot to reliese R1! Also the players let the ball role right passed them when you're in control of someone else! they watch it role passed them et 2 feet without attempting to collect it! Another big niggle is that they made michael owen a speed machine and he great at everything, there is only 2 better strikers (on the game) in my oppinion and these are cresspo (even though hes not that quick) and the legend that is Shevchenko! they've made owen better than van nistlerooy! thats just wrong. Craig belemy is the fastest player in the league by a long shot and owens faster on the game, it just winds me up because owen in real life is s*ite!
However the game is very adictive, esspecially the non international sides because of local rivalry. Im a man U fan and take great pleasue is absolutely anialating Arsnel scum 8, 9 , 10 nil! The points salery and transfer gimic is a nice totch as well. In all the game is great but if they bring out a ISS 3 they should beet fifa to the name copy right because by hell it'll be worth it, gods speed Komei and give us yet another ISS that wipes the floor with the next (irratating) fifa release. mat
| The best football game there is, no two ways about it. | | Ads from Glasgow says (30/Jun/2003): | This game really is the best football game you can buy it has the best gameplay because it is simply the most realistic (except of course for the parts where you pass to someone and they just stand completely still!) the statistics the players are based on is much better system than fifa's. A lot of people have said how easy it is to score in pro evolution 2 but did you notice that in fifa 2001 and 2002 all you had to do to score was run down the wing cross it to someone in the centre and 10 times out of ten you score an overhead kick which is just about the most ridiculous and unrealistic aspect of football because you get people like Heskey doing something that not only is he incapable of but also scoring, another thing he's incapable of! Also the reason there are little club teams is because the game stemns from the ISS series INTERNATIONAL superstar soccer this game was always meant to have an emphasis on international teams so the fact there is an amazing master league mode is a fantastic bonus. Apart from the aforementioned flaw about standing still evrything else is realistic the goalkeepers are different in skill level unlike fifa where every keeper is a carbon copy of each other and it pays attention to detail with shooting that if a player is under pressure from a defender he'll probably miss likewise if u overpower a shot. ofcourse in fifa when you full power the bar you dont miss you just smack it into the net faster despite who the keeper is. Thus this game is much better than fifa games in all possible aspects (and i'm including graphics in that by the way) and is the best football game you can buy.
| Stunning AND could be better | | Eric the Red from Republic of Mancunia says (20/Oct/2003): | This game is for real football fans. If you want fancy-looking graphics and a title sequence that goes on all day but rubbish, unrealistic gameplay then go and buy FIFA. If you want realism and a game of football the way it was intended to be played, then buy this.
Everyone seems to agree that the graphics on ISS are crap - but I ask you to take a second look. Look at Paul Scholes, Beckham, Owen, Dyer, Henry, Carlos - they look, run and kick JUST like their real-life counterparts! They're even different heights, something which games like Fifa have never realised (Scholes the same height as Ferdinand in Fifa).
Also, a player's preferred foot really makes a difference, which means you have to try and get it on the favoured one to shoot. Just try shooting with Giggs's right foot - another slice of realism as it bobbles slowly to the keeper!
Having said that, there are some areas for improvement. For a start, the way the players, when muscled off the ball, stand around for 5 seconds like Emile Heskey has to be changed. Also, you can't do a long range shot along the ground. A perfectly-timed sliding tackle nearly always results in a booking and the PS2 is a dirty b*stard!
Hopefully they'll iron these things out with ISSPE3 - I hear injured players will have bandages on wrists and legs, hair will flow more, players will get muddy. All fine and dandy but let us score with a daisy-cutter and I'll die a happy man.
Just one last thing - the standard of English on some of these posts is downright shocking. 'Iratating', 'reliese', 'appauling', 'the ball roled passed' - do none of you read or what?
| ISS Pro Evolution 2 | | A cool dude from USA says (25/Oct/2001): | This is the best soccer game ever to hit the Playstation!It's even better than Fifa and the first ISS Pro Evoulution!Every player is an all-star #1 player at soccer so thats cool.It has every player in the whole soccer world!The very bad players,the okay players,the good players,the great players and the superb players so that makes this a winner but thats only oner reason....Now heres my other reasons.It has awesome graphics,you can tell each player from another and thats a big improvement over last years game.Plus the booklet(the thing with the front cover)has a few profiles about the best players and now i know more about them!!!The soccer balls are easy to see,they dont blend into the grass like other soccer games and plus its fun as hell.They have every team on the whole soccer world and that makes it an awesome game so far.It has real logos such as Nike(TM),A.D.I.D.A.S.(TM),Pony(TM) and way more so many i cant even name them all.Now its radical so far.Plus they can talk!You dont have to read those stupid words on the stupid screen.This game goes great with pizza and beer,at night too!The music is PHATTT!!!!Its so awesome.Plus the season mode takes you all over the world such as London,Spain,Canada,United States Of America,United Kingdom(UK) and so much more.And the soccer fields look so real you will wonder if your watching tv or playing a video game and it even looks more real than WWF Smackdown!2.Well maybe not better but you can capare them and youll see what i mean.Its very addictive too yoll play it all night and all day and you wont want to quit.Buy it its worth it.
| Scoring for a Hatrick | | Benny from Peterborough says (26/Jan/2003): | First things first, ISSPE2 is the best football around by a 35 yard long shot. I have to be honest, before the PS2 editions of the ISS games came about, I was not the biggest fan of the footy genre. But having played many matches I can tell you this is as close to the beautiful game as your gonna get. The physics of the SPOT ON control system, the shooting system, the way the players pass, and all of the tons of strategic features will make the player realise that this achievement was made by not just gaming developers, but developers who love the game itself. Yes, the commentry is appauling and sometimes you'd just love to smack your most powerful shot at point blank to Trevor Brooking's groin at times, but on the scale of things this really does not matter. The graphics and animation are pretty much tip top. True not as polished as FIFA's but do we really care when the gameplay and addiction factor is so hot? The vast array of options and different competitions, training features, player creation and best off all the very, very brillaint multiplayer mode will leave the player with more than plenty to do. Besides the commentry the only real minus I have to note is when on multiplayer mode and you combine your skills to take on the com, sometimes when after a dead ball you can have difficulty avoiding having player 1 and player 2 chasing the ball when 3 yards apart! But this really is nitpicking. All in all, a genuine classic really. I would like to have given this game 9 and a half but was not given the option!
| The BEST ps game I ever played - TOO GOOD ! | | Clizmael from Siggiewi, Malta says (29/Jul/2003): | I'm a great fan of Football and so when I went to buy a ps1 CD I had to select a football CD game. Atv first I was going to buy the Fifa because it was one of the most popular. But as I saw someone playing the ISS Pro Evolution, I soon bought it. When I new that the ISS 2 was invented , I soon bought it and realised that this was better. But now that the ISS 3 is made, I want to buy the ps2 so that I would play it.
The ISS Pro Evolution 2 is the best game I ever played on the ps1. The graphics are super and the controls are excellent. The Master League makes the ISS more enthusiastic because one can create his own team. The other leagues are O.K. too. The Edit mode has very vast items to select and the best is that you can create your own player. The Classic and All-Stars teams were a good idea to enjoy because you can buy these players to and enter them in your Master League team (Note that these teams are shown in the ISS only by using the cheats).
But I think that if the ISS will include also the Champions League(playing with the real team - not with Castello or Miranda etc...) it will be better.
The supporters in the game are very good. Also, the players have a very real aspect. The dribbling is also good and easy to use.
The ISS 3 is better because it has more teams in the ML, lately players, and one can select the Expert difficulty because the Hard difficulty is too easy.
There is no footbal game in the world, for example the Fifa, that is better than the ISS Pro Evolution 2.
| Good Gameplay | | R-Dubilya from SCOTLAND says (28/Dec/2002): | Reading threw the points that have been made about the game, well they aint too good but i think the game is really good. Sometimes little things get on your nerves like commentery and the "oranges#xx" for the dutch players, and pretty much all the other names like for teams "Connact for Rangers, London for Arsenal & Celt for Celtic" are pretty hard to figure out which team is which when you start to pick teams for the match. But taking all that away i reckon what makes a good football game is how much you enjoy playing it and i really think the 'gameplay' if you know what is meant by that term is top. Also going with 'gameplay' follows the 'fun factor' and i can honestly say i loved it and most of my mates who have played it with me thought it was great and were gonna buy it!
So on my review the game losses a star because of the names and commentery but i recomend the game. Good value for money!!! It takes on FIFA 2003 head to head easilly and thats saying something seeing i think FIFA 2003 has been the best FIFA game so far, maybe FIFA 2003 takes the cherry in the end with better commentery and MORE real names and a greater amount of differant highlights etc. FIFA 2003 vs ISS PRO EVOLUTION 2 is a hard one to call when you match them up with there 'gameplay' and 'fun factor', they are both great recommended games + people should pretty much forget niggly things like names and commentery "they dont matter" when the game is as good as iss pro evolution 2!
| Oranges drive me nuts..... | | Carlo Juve from Manchester says (13/Dec/2002): | After the anticipation of the release of this monolithic game, I am neither disappointed or elated at the differences chosen to be used this time round.
I cannot help but feel that the playability (although in some aspects visually and playably amazing) are somewhat of the FIFA mould and now are a 'flick' away from always being brilliant... what happened to the pass and move strategy this game has always adopted... ISS 1 was a masterpiece and hard to play in the sense that goals where not leaked in all parts of the fields and nearly all players couldn't dribble with incredible accuracy. Passing was the key to success. Now I find myself in human matches wondering where my defence are and why Sami Hyypia has ran from his own area into mine and scored without a tackle being made?? But apart from this and the diabolical player names (ORANGES????) I think that ISS 2 is again ahead of the pack as no other footy games have come close. The kit edits and the little perks it has included are marvellous but more kits and more bonus teams gained at a higher ability level are needed. Better tournament set-ups with the option to play real-life domestic leagues etc would be ground-breaking.It just seem such a shame that we have to wait three games and much money to get where konami know we need to be. Bring on ISS 3 like the above and I would bcome the konami mascot and wear konami T-Shirts forever and ever
| ISS Pro Evo 2 Scores! I tell a lie they've missed | | Warthy from Gloucestershire says (18/Dec/2002): | Well i'll start with it's worth forking out 20 quid for this as a lot of the really annoying problems with the previous game have been sorted. For example: players now make half decent diagonal runs instead of looking like a chicken! Also the step-over fakes are more effective which improves build up play no end. This however has been sacrificed by rediculous player names and wot on earth is that oranges 031 all about or is it 011 or 018, WHO KNOWS? Also i happened to notice that the first crunching tackle of every game resulting in a yellow card happens to injure the opposing player. Whether this is a good thing is not for me to decide but it can get damn annoying if it's your player that gets injured. Some how i don't think this adds realism to the game. TWO more things, 1:WHERE'S THE GALLERY MODE GONE? it's not a vital thing but at least you know what you've completed and 2: It's far to easy to score with edgar davids (oranges 12035662, i really don't know) from around the centre circle!!! Ending on a high note however, it's still the best game out there and always will be in my opinion. It's either this game or rediculous 50 yard runs resulting in a rediculously accurate 30 yard screamer from any player on the pitch, yes, you've guest it.......FIFA RUBBISH
| This Game Is Wicked. | | Liam from North Hykeham, Lincoln, England says (28/May/2004): | I bought this game when it first came out and have played on it for over 1000 hours altogether. I reckon its the best football game to be released, but now that PES3 has came out it seems like an even better game.
If you have PES2 here are a few tips and good players to buy, If you have it for PS1 this is.
Popovic - Defence - Australia
Mutu - Striker - Romania
R Carlos - Defender - Navarra, Brazil
Kanu - Striker - London, Nigeria
Babandiga - Winger - Nigeria, I think
for a better cross press your cross button when near goal line twice, quickly. It will put a faster ball into the box and can trick a lot of defenders. And if your head gets on it you can score quite an easy goal. Kanu is good when you have a corner but the ball so its too high for the defence to jump up to, then kanu can do a perfect header straight into the back of the net.
I play Babandiga in defence and he tackles nearly every1 but if they do get past him he just runs back to tackle them because he has got top speed. And Viera is good to get to play in DMF (Defensive Midfield) his corners are great.
If you havent got this or PES3 BUY THEM NOW!!!!!!!!
| I didnt think it could get much better | | Cain from London, England says (8/Apr/2002): | I was having doubts about buying this game because I thought it would be much the same as the previous version. I bought it anyway just 2 see. The begin sequence was superb as always, the graphic used made it look so realistic. When I started playing I noticed little tweeks in gameplay which made this even better than the first version. The gameplay was more difficult and it wasn't as easy to score, more control over the ball and the keepers are a lot better i feel. The only thing i didnt like was the lobbed through ball, its so hard to master it. Now the master leauge is much better with the 2 divisions and all. The only thing i would have prefered is for the computer teams being able 2 my transfers aswell. The points system is a good idea. One other thing, I think more diversity 2 the games options such as a cup where club teams can compete against nationl sides & and a better tranfer system in master league, you should also be able to get sacked. Other than that the game is menacing. Konami have made another g8 footie game which i havent been able to put down since i got it.
| We all know its good points, but lets look at what needs CHANGING! BADLY! | | A gamer from Nottingham, England. says (9/Apr/2003): | 1) You cannot DRIVE the ball! The result is that loose balls (from corners etc) that come out to the holding midfield player can only be hit with the instep and as a result you must sacrifice either power or accuracy.
2)Similarly you cannot hit a shot with full power and NO HEIGHT unless you want to use CIRCLE. Same applies for free kicks.
3)Their ideas of fair tackles vary hugely from FIFA's or the FA. This game should be more CONTACT.
4)Commentary, obviously, laughable. Just because he missed, Trevor, it doesn't make you a liar.
5)A lack of 'skill'. You cannot nearly do everything that you could in real life. It isn't a big ask for them to include a few extra moves after all they've done.
6)As someone mentioned the habit players have of backing off, or waiting for the ball. Frustrating.
7)Players are too poorly balanced.Being muscled off the ball WOULD NOT result in you being incapacitated for the next 5 seconds!!!
8)Injuries can only be sustained through a SLIDE TACKLE! WHY?? In actuality most are sustained through over-stretching or just running.
| room for improvement for the 3rd, but a great game with fantastic gameplay ability. | | ian from london england says (18/Aug/2003): | for years i have owned and adored every fifa game, but when i came across fifa2003 i was bitterly disappointed with the gameplay, i then found pro evolution soccer 2. PES2 does not have the best graphics, does not have a vast team selection, or the ability to trade players out of the master league mode. however, pro evolution 2 is a game for football fans, those who like playability. fifa gets tiresome and is easily mastered. but pro evolution poses a challenge each time. with realistic player movements, konami have actually captured players individual styles of play, whereas in fifa, all players play identical in movement and style of play. for playing against friends, pro evolution is the best because the games are always close, fifa is far too easy to score in. PES2 is fantastic however, does have major room for improvement, so im sure all us PES fans will be eagerly awaiting the 3rd game and hoping konami have improved on their few weaker points, -> more teams, more players, and ability to trade out of the master league.
| If it aint broken don't fix it. | | David Cashman from Cork,Ireland says (1/Nov/2002): | I'm a firm believer in keeping a winning formula and in parts of this game Konami have abandoned this concept. y friend and I played pro evo. every day for the past year and we asked ourselves how could they improve the masterpiece. Well in making the game totally realistic by highlighting certain players strengths and weaknesses and by doing this making them individuals. This part of the game is incredible. However the player animation shuld have stayed the same as the last game because they look like buig bodied necless freaks in this game. Why didntthey just keep the same club names as before the new ones are just absurd and whats with the dutch players? Why didn't they just mix up the letters in their names instead of giving them numbers. also Peter Brackley is a great commentator so if your paying him to talk so just let him do that instead of giving him stupid phrases its like listening to chris james again. In conclusion keep the good points from the old game you don't have to change everything to have a good sequel.
| good......but could be so much better! | | Mark Wilson from Adelaide, Australia says (22/Mar/2003): | ISS is by far the best football game there is, PE2 is good but what happened to the 1-2 function? it has disappeared from the game also the through ball function never seems to work, everytime you use it the opposition seem to intercept. These are two functions that should have been left as they were as they were functions that got used a lot in a game, now i dont bother using them at all, the slide tackle should also have been left as it was, now you will give away a freekick whether you win the ball fairly or not! The commentry is also crap as are the graphics(compared to fifa2003) but the game still beats fifa for gameplay alone! Lets hope that the next version irons out these glitches, according to Konami's website this game is only35% of the finished article that they crave, i cant wait to get a hold of that finished article! I have a disc from the UK that enables all the correct players names and also gives all the current Premiership clubs, the master league expands to 3 divisions to accomodate the extra teams.
| Still work to do... | | $havie$ from UK says (16/Dec/2002): | OK, i got this game and thought wow! what was i doing with FIFA! but now a couple of weeks in and some classic bouts with my mates its all sunk down to earth again. on the bad side - the commentary is disgusting, it makes me cringe especially when that dick says 'i tell a lie, he's missed', you never said i had scored in the 1st place! this has to be addressed in the next game. also player movement needs to be looked at.. running after the ball is crap, tapping the button to run is much better. more detail needs to be paid to the crowd and they really should get a liscence for player names and make more teams, instead of having london as the only English team they should have all the teams, its not even hard for them to do. actually i am so annoyed with this game i cant be bothered to point out its good points. i mean yes i like it and yes it beats fifa to a pulp but still football games need to sort themselves out pretty damn quick. in a word the controls for pro eve 2 are 'un-responsive'
| Quite simply the best sports game ever made! | | Neil Davies from Cardiff says (24/Apr/2002): | ISS Pro Evolution 2 is another incredibly addictive footie game in the Konami series. With so many great aspects to it, it stands out above FIFA etc.like Ryan Giggs in a Wales v.Armenia match. Everyone is aware by now of the sultry gameplay and the flawless graphics. The difficulty settings are just right and the small alterations to game speed and player editing will make the game have a long and happy life with gamers.
Commentary is still poor, there should be more specific comments to specific shots and tackles etc. If this is achieved, these small touches add to the realism and simulation of the game. The crowds should chant recognisable songs so we can sing along and should be specific to teams (Brazil-samba, England-"3 Lions etc!).
The player editor is a great feature as you can recreate the World Cup 2002 with the real England squad! Basically, what i'm tying to say is that this is a MUST BUY game, unless of course you own the PS2 version (how can they make this better.....)
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