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One of the best Playstation games of the year | | Anthony from Riverside, Ca says (1/Jul/2002): | Digimon world 3 is awsome. It Is like Digimon World 1 and 2 were put together. It is also very addicting and exciting. This game has the fastest loading time to go into a battle than any other Digimon game because it just flicks on without even loading or anything. Also you can digivolve anytime you want to as long as your digimon knows a digivolution type. A great thing about this game is that you start with three digimon that have different abilities and you get to choose those three digimon out three different packs. Also this game includes digimon from all three seasons and sneak peaks at digimon from the upcoming season four. In this game you may buy weapons to give to your digimon to make them stronger. This game has awsome scenery graphics but the charachters and digimon have a cartoonish look to them which makes the game look pretty cool. The digimon in battle have a more pointed look to them so the battles look messed up. Instead of getting weaker when they DNA digivolve like Digimon World to they get stronger just like in the episodes but only certain digimon can DNA digivolve. There are three bad things in the game and thats why I marked the score down. One is that when you save or load your game it takes forever. The other is that if you go into a saection that your not supposed to go and you don't really know where your supposed to go you get slaghtered by the digimon there. And the last one is that you naver know when you gonna run into a digimon it just happens out of nowhere. I really think this game is good if you have patients and don't get stressed out easily so this game for me is a keeper.
| Third times a charm. | | Reggie from USA says (9/Aug/2002): | This has got to be the best digimon world, DW1 was good but way too short, DW2 was way too long and boring ,yet had good music ,except for one battle theme. Part 3, makes you forget that 1 and 2 ever were made. Digimon World 3 has good graphics, but they are not all that original though, some parts look like they are from Monster Rancher( the training centers) or Pokemon (the world map) but who cares! The world map is pretty confusing especially the underground areas, but that doesn?t lower anything , except your patience. The in-battle digivolving, the DNA digivolving and the ability to choose what form your digimon can become are DW3's shining point and makes for very interesting battles. Excellent music, except when fighting other people (Tamer Mark, Student Yuki etc.) ,the annoying upbeat/fanfare battle music from DW2's 2 player mode annoys once again. Good design, good replay, but no two player mode. The only thing that keeps this game from the perfect rating is the difficulty. I love difficult games but not cheap games, don?t take it the wrong way but some parts are too cheap for my taste, digimon that will only take a few points of damage and digimon that will humiliate you by dodging you consecutively but be patient and this problem will seem like nothing. This game has a good life span, it's the only game I have not beaten within 24 to 72 hours of owning, and I don't gameshark. If there is another digimon based game, I don?t want to play it.
| I prefer cards than battles | | A gamer from Sydney, Australia says (16/May/2007): | Hello, i´ve completed the card album but nothing happens!! all that for nothing!?
I like this game because it´s quite hard. But it´s the best of my life.
The music, graphics and gameplays are COOL!Really cool!! But i don´t like the "reach a place-talk-go away again". That sucks!!!
Anyway, i´ll drop down some folders. Who knows, maybe they´re good.
PG Folder(Summon cards and special DG should differ with the special colour card. E.g.:4 Summon Palmon, 1 SaberLeomon,1 Wield Aura)
Summon Angemon x2
Freeze Bug x3
Deceive cloak x4
Beast Energy x3
Revival Charge x2
Charge terminal x4
Control Parts x3
Desire Access(only one in game)
Misery Gate(only one in game)
Absolute Barrier x1
Scramble Up x1(for the digimon in Compile Phase)
Summon Devimon x4
Delete Matrix(only one in game)
Vicious Hacking x2
Security Hall x2(Have you looked that if you use this card you will trash always the same cards, even in different duels?)
The other 6 cards are up to you.
Evil Power
Freeze Bug x3
Darkness Gale(only one in game)
Charge Terminal x4
Revival Charge x2
Desire Access(only one in game)
Misery Gate(only one in game)
Vicious Hacking x4
Creepymon(only one in game)
Armageddemon x2
Myotismon x1
Infermon x3
LadyDevimon x3
Scramble up x3
Control Parts x2
Eclipse Undo x1
Blazing Chaos x1
MarineAngemon(only one in game, and you have lots of blue cards)
Diaboromon x1
Protect Aura x2
Imperialdramon-P x1
Choose freely the other 2
| the beeeeeeeeeesssssssssssttttttttttttttttt | | Casper from melborne, australia says (24/Sep/2004): | Hey, i'm known as Casper and I gotta say this game rocks! I've had it for 3 years now and i have ta say this game is probly the best i have seen. the graphics and sound are good the lifespan was exerlentay the vaule was very good for me as i got it for $10:00. and this is a brand new copy with a memory card.
the lifespan was not bad(i only just found mirage tower for the first time). anhd the fun factor was the best. i realy like the game thou becuase it just has so many excighting things like the digimon like while your training them they might just desied to learn a digivoulution and then 5 levels up t5hey might learn a new move and than 20 levels later it could then how to load a move. its just so excghting. there is one or two things i dislike about it like how it takes for ever to load or save. and another is like the mobius dessert. by the time i found mirage tower my agumon my veemon and my guilmon where all in the 60's for there levels. and i only got through by using a map. well thats abought all but before i leave i have ta say to find veemon as soon as you enter t6he forest go to the trees on your left he is in there. also to make a fishing rod get a spider web, a red snapper(found in the throught of o0ne of the divermons throughts at divermon lake) and the the bamboo spear. have fun on your games and good luck from CASPER(Casper is my last name. it is spealt with a K instead of a C. i just like spealing it with a C.) see-ya.
| Excelent | | Ran Shackelford from Winnfield, Louisiana, USA says (25/Mar/2006): | The game is seriously good with an okay storyline...But I daresay, I don't think I would have gotten very far had it not been that I went to Wal-Mart and bought the (cheat guide) the very evening I bought the game. I say this because you have to do all these pecific things that will or should result in what your character will do next. More so, though, for the Spekimon Arc... Because you have to talk to him first and then to Kail and THEN to an Agumon in the wind city(now really, who would have known to talk to Agumon without any help!??) But anyway I've been training only my Renamon (as Taomon) and she is very strong, she did beat Wargrowlmon in on Elctro Bolt. Baronmon was so nice to let me rename her Lust (after the 7 sins) and I think I'll train only her for now and then get Guilmon and train to where he will be MetalGarurumon. Good Combo right? Right now I'm currently stuck at the Mobius Desert. I would like it if someone could help me because obviously I can't tell me right from me left. In the (cheat)book it says you need to start at the upper left side of the screen and in the next screen go to the lower left. Repeat that 5 screens and you 'should' be at the mirage tower...But I just can't seem to get it right, so if anyone knowns where some screens are that can show me , tell me please. But needless to say the game is well done and challenges you equaly. It certainy gets my mind off my crush (Brandon Armstrong) LOL
| Best ps1 game ive ever played | | Kuri from tiwan says (22/Mar/2005): | Digimon world 3 is a very good game.In my opinion its better than all the ps1 games ive played and its one of my favorites.There isnt much i dont like about this game besides it being a bit hard.But its a real challenge for any digimon fan.Ok im 16 and i love this game .the graphics are very good for being a now old ps1 game.the game is very very long.its not a game you can beat in a day even with the perfect FAQ and walkthrough.I have been playing this game for 3 years my play time is 141:24:34 and growing.all my digimon are at level 99 and i have 373789 bit.i didnt use a gameshark.i dont like gameshark.it shouldnt be used for such a great game like this because then there is no point to it.this game is very addicting.its not so hard until you reash the end wish i mean is betting the last bosses .and for anyone unshoure about getting through the desert you just go south,south,west,west,west.this game i dont think will be the best digimon game.because digimon world 4 for game cube ,xbox and ps1 will be out soon this year.I still have not beaten this game not even once because most of the time i forget what im going in the game and where i am exacly .this game is nothing like rumble arena.because you dont battle so arcade-like hitting and attacking with all the contoler buttons .this games fighting style is very similar to pokemon.i have gotten very far in this game too ive almost won and i know alot about it,overall this game rocks.
| Not so nice! | | MohsinMan99 from Saudi Arabia says (26/Apr/2005): | Digimon world 3 is a very useless game. Wish I could give it a zero out of ten, but the minimum score is one. There r several reasons for me disliking the game:
1. The epic items r useless. I wasted my whole time on those and they came out to be the worst weapons. If u r searchin for them, just give up and instead buy a Gulf sword.
2. The graphics in the battle r very bad. MaloMyotismon's teeth look very ugly.And, How did Greymon become shorter than Tyrannomon?
3. The techniques are used by shooting a pink energy ball while the enemies, for the same techs, they use cannons and all.
4. Those blue squares appear everytime. I hate them.
5. Digivolution mistakes! When did MetalGarurumon start digivolving into MegaGargomon?
6. Enemies are really pow! Even If u have maxed ur stats, u will never get damage under 200.
7. EXP is very low, unlike pokemon.
8. Save feature is not proper.
9. No 2-player mode.
Ignoring all these things, I just completed the game. I have beaten it some 324 times, play time is some 890 hours. I played it day and night.Because of this I know everything about the game. I defeated Galacticmon with a LV45 KUMAMON, LV 27 AGUMON AND A LV15 PATAMON. I know how to beat galacticmon with just one hit! And I no all the weakpoints of every digimon in this game! If u want to no any secret, just mail me.My highest damage to galacticmon (so far)5987.my e-mail add: mohsinman99< remove me > at hotmail.com
| Simply a nice game | | A gamer from UAE,Algeria,Jordan says (20/Jun/2005): | This game is realy nice espicaly for 12-15 year old and needs a bit of concentrating and brain. the game is not what we expected but hey its better than castlevania chronicole but also not mario.
i have tips for players about the maniac deck which is a very balanced deck and powerful which can overtake any team in the game:
1)Kumamon: Strongest digimon in the game with good techniques and speed so train metalmaemon to become metalgaruramon to megagargomon who can handle the 2 jin and marsmon the final evolution of kumamon both very good
2)patamon: ur not gona regret him advice dont load angemons tech because magnaangemon learns them at the beginning 5-20 and his healings ability is great and attacks are good but a suggestion after training serphiamon turn to another digimon and train with him and use the loaded tech of serphiamon and a suggestion is greymon and u either get metalgreymon who evolves to wargreymon to omnimon or skullgreymon to BK wargreymon to diabromon all powerful and hides patamons weaknessess
3)guilmon: the sad part he is the 2 powerful after kumamon but truthfully his technique all sucks until gallantmon which is powerful and i truthfully suggest to train with stingmon till grankuwagamon then train gallantmon and beezlemon when gallantmon gets L.40 which the 3 are powerful and good for different situations that means alot of training fortunatly guilmon grows very quickly
| I need help, please. | | Valerie from Melbourne, Victoria, Australia says (17/Jan/2005): | Hey everybody. Digimon World 3 is obviously my favourite game ever. I love everything about it (exept for the fact that the people don't speak literally). It's just, there is a problem. I have fully clocked the game and beaten Galacticmon (1 of the easiest bosses ever, just use Sakuyamons KoundaKaimadara and it will kick its arse) but after, the preview thing happens, and then the ending credits, and back to the main menu. I wanted to know if you can actually save the game after you beat Galacticmon, and continue from there. Coz my disk is really stuffed up and skips a lot so I just press start when them long things happen. If anyone knows or can help me, i beg you...PLEASE do. Email me at valerieissa_rules< remove me > at hotmail.com, or just on this site. (I'd rather email). Thankyou very much.
PS, if anyone is stuck, just ask me what to do!!!
pss: Get all the DRI agents's digimon before the end of the game, because the actual DRI agents will be oinkmon.
psss: get Veemon first before any other digimon you can get out of your starter pack. Because to get him, you have to put 2 digimons in the empty blocks and only use one level 20 I think. That was the mistake i had perfomred whcih costed me from getting Veemon, Monmon and Kumamon :(. But who knows, maybe after you beat Galacticmon, all the DRI agents will turn back into humans and I might still be able to get Kumamon and Monmon. So please help me.
| DMW3 is as cool as hard | | Tiago, the digimon expert from São Paulo, São Paulo, Brazil says (22/Apr/2003): | This is one of the coolest games that I play. Its graphics are beautfull (they sometimes make the Digimon, while you are travelling with them trhough Digimon Online, looks like animed cartoons, that is cool !) The sound is great, I do never get tired to listening the games music, they are so exciting! You also may enjoy some sounds from DMW2, that reminds the "old times". One of the coolest things in the game is the aunctions, it is cool fight using all your cash to get the best itens. Even the begining of the game's story looks like "Pokemon", the story son gets different and original ( you will be wondering to know what will happen next while you are palying!). But the game is as hard as cool (but if didn't the game would be boring...), in the begining it is easy but soon gets hard!
However there are somethings in the game that I do not like. There are only about 7 rookies digimons that you can raise (too litle, in DMW2 there was a lot of then). The objective of Digimon Online in get the 4 badges, compete in the Server Championship and Compete in the World Championship but I have beat the game and there are not championship (if someone knows a way to compete in the championships please e-mail me). The game says that there are 5 servers, but you only can go to Asuka and Amaterasu ( should be possible go to the 5 servers!).
| it's the best game that i've ever played in my life man!! | | seth doughty from Presque Isle, ME,United States says (15/Feb/2003): | man, this game is the best. the graphics, the story, the action, everything about this game rocks man!!!! but... there is one down side, the ONLY down side, the load and save times take forever!! and you can only save at the inns, that sucks. but everything is just to good to be true!! there are so many digimon, i just can't phathom all of them, and they gave me a sneak peak of season 4, now that's pretty darn good if you ask me.i've been a fan of digimon all my life, i have all the games, a lot of the toys, even some of those really old tamagochi hand held thingamabobers, and seen all the shows, but this game really takes the cake. all the stratagys of the art of digivolution, DNA digivolution, and making the choice of what 3 digimon and digivolutions you have. oh, did i tell you about the different weapons you can give to your digimon?the weapons range from swords and hammers to hand guns and sniper rifles. also you can give them sheilds, and armor,and helmets, and a bunch of other stuff.you also have to earn to get other digimon not in your starter packs by fighting the ultimate form of the rookie you want, like if you want Agumon, you'll have to fight Metalgreymon to get the Digital DNA of Agumon. Well, that's pretty much what i want to say about this game. you should get it if you have a playstation. IT ROCKS MAN!!!!
| Digimon World 2003 | | Rachel from Hawick, Scotland says (26/May/2004): | This game is one of my favourite games ever! I find myself playing it for hours at a time! The best parts of the game are the storyline because it's exciting and challenging, learning new digivolutions because it's just fun and looking at the Digivolution Chart to see which are on the same page and are so connected, the really long battles that last about 30 minutes or over because when (and if) you win the unexplainable feeling you get is like no other! Right now I'm stuck in only Amaterasu and the West Sector looking for the Epic Items so that I can fight the new 4 leaders so if anyone knows anything other than you get them on the Circuit Board please e-mail me! Thanks!
Thanks to my digimon and their digivolutions for their extraordinary performance against Galacticmon! Kotemon, GuardiAngemon, Imperialdramon, MetalGarurumon, Renamon, Sakuyamon, Myotismon, Taomon, Patamon, Seraphimon, Rosemon and Angewomon! That battle (along with Lord MegaDeath's) was one of the best ever! The body of Galacticmon was harder than the tail but I still won thanks to Kotemon (level 72) and Imperialdramon and GuardiAngemon! If you can't beat Galacticmon then try equipping your Digimon with Recovery Crests (can be obtained from defeating Cherrymon in Amaterasu's Wire Forest) which slowly but effectively recovers some of your HP!
| MUST have this game!!! | | Cesar from petaluma, california, U.S.A. says (26/Dec/2002): | Well, even though I already beat the game I just have to go back and get new digivolution for my digimon. This could have been the best game that exist(if isn't already) but why ca't you save anywhere? I mean was about to get Omnimon and I had to go and there was no time to go to an inn! The graphics are awesome during fights and sometimes stink (but mostly great). Graphics are best (to me) right before you fight gallacticmon (final boss). The gameplay is addictive. In scales from 1 to 10, graphics 9, fun 10, lenght 10, available digimon 10, overall 10. I don't think it is a great game to rent because the funnest parts you get to after the time is due to give the game back. Also you get the best digimon after the due date. Trust me I rented this game before I bought it and I barely got to my digimon to level ten and all I had were champions (weak ones too). If you buy this game your fall in love with it. Why? Unless you have no brain you will love it because of the awesome gameplay and once you get a champion you'll want to keep digivolving! One last thing sorry for breaking the rules but I just have to tell them this, when you have one stronger digimon you might want to keep fighting and training that one, do NOT. always have the digimon on similler level or you'll never beat gllacticmon.
| Kia Hiwatari | | Kia Sakuya Hiwatari from London says (21/May/2003): | I think that digimon world 3 is great. The only problem I see with it is the fact that you have to have three digimon. What a disappointment. I like to just use one digimon to beat everyone ( mostly my Renamon) and I hate it when all the other digimon are just dragged along in my group when another tamer could just as easily be using them. I am a lone wolf in these kind of games and i normally just train one character to perfection. On rare occasions, i do sometimes pick a backup digimon ( Eg: Digimon rumble arena: Use Renamon, backup Metalgarurumon) I also find that in games today you are allowed to pick the game difficulty and i normally pick the expert mode and get stuck in. The games graphics are cute but the lack of voice was a disappointment to me and many others that play this game. that is one of the reasons i love rumble arena. I took off a mark for each of the things wrong with it and the game is left with seven out of ten. I have known a lot worse than digimon 3 reach 10 ( Mario sunshine: come on purlease, Zelda should have won that ten out of ten all the way!!)so i think thats a damm good way to make a digimon game. If anyone needs cheats or help with rumble arena then email me because i just rock at that game!!!!
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| OK, this is the Ultimate-level game for Playstation | | Dendai from Bandung says (6/Dec/2003): | 'Worst' game I've ever play-it's make me play for more than 85 hours (I read someone played it for 100+ hours)...This is the longest game I've ever play; since I don't have my own ps.
For you digimons fan (like me) and just start to play, I should warn you...You may get ADDICTED to play more and more and I'm meant it.
But if you serious to play here my advise: choose pack B, powerful pack. Train Monmon to get Canondramon, Renamon to get Sakuyamon, then after you get V-mon train him to get whatever you want. That's I think the best combination, Fire-Power, Magic and Heal. In the end power thats matter.
After you get fishing pole, fish a lot! It is great on increasing you digimon skill level. This is also one way you can beat Cardmon and get booster.
Oh ya, my favourite digimon Etemon (weird huh?) is got parts in this game too. But I love all digimon, cool looking or ugly one like Roachmon (if you’ve see one ^_^;) simple like Poyomon or complicated like Machinedramon and etc. Although I still think the graphics is the main problem; I couldn't see clear the sexy Angewomon...?
Anyway I can wait to face the final boss, Galacticmon!
The bottom line is, its never make me boring to just thinking of them. How about you?...
| back again, digimon rulezzzzz | | Thijs the dutch digigamer from breda, the Netherlands, europe says (7/Jul/2006): | i fully clocked this game already played one game for 260 hours.
but i started a new game because first i didn't got veemon, now im already busy again.
heard lots of people asking for dnas ok got somethings:
taomon+Magnaangemon= pheonixmon
grizzmon+guilmon= bladegarurumon.
grankuwagamon=kabuterimon and imperialdramon lvl 40
etc. wanna know more mail me.
Does anyone knows wether digitamamon and kabuterimon?
im not going to bring them to lvl 99 if they dont have one.
are you searching for the egg of knowledge to get to the northern island, it in suzaku underground lake, (same place were you find kyukimon in asuka) ameteras server.
for the egg of sincerinity, go to that green swamp near bulk bridge, with all the seadramons and stuff.
walk behind the shrine and press X to talk to the wall.
go to baronmon for tnt chip, have tnt ball from triceramon.
some digivolves:
skullgreymon:
greymon dark 150+ level 50 or either 65
megagargomon
metalgarurumon level 99
pheonixmon
rosemon level 99
so on so on, champion 50 or 40, ultimate lvl 99
tip for BK seraphimon or other BK digis, just get dark reward 999.
well , good luck, i know almost everything about the game so
any questions mail me see ya.
| its the best and i can help | | Ian from sunderland england says (14/Aug/2004): | listen if you are stuck on the digivolution the best one to have is the digimon with the little wooden sword he is a rookie u pick at the beginning if you train him well u will get kyukimon who is fantastic special attack blade twister that hits 3 times and huts them over 8000 a hit so 8000 x3 is 24000 and it has no weeknesses wich is also good i am trying to get kullgreymon at the minute i nearly have him well also there is a hint i can tell you if you want the digimon flaming greymon you have to compleate all them dri doods then the airdramon from that city were you get your firs badge from is gone so go back to the place you first saw veemon and teddy will appear one of ure mates he will say that airdramon was taken so go were kurts secret location is in the dum dum factory and warumonzamon will fight you again go in his house and you will fight flaming greymon wich is an anchent digimon he will say no 1 has beat him before and will get sent to the lab as gabumon then choose him he is level 70 and choose battle digivolve and select flaming greymon i have him but i havent got his special move yet but he dose an attack called flare ball which dose 15000 damage so his finisher will be much stronger well thats aal by
| One Word: BORING!!! | | A Guy says (24/Jun/2006): | This game is really boring, why can't you play as the digimon for once??? Instead of this boy, this stupid boy and his girlfriend and his boyfriend, they are soooooooooo stupid, the game is boring do not buy. Worst of all, the tasks are impossibly impossible to complete and...guess what...the battle is taken in turns!!! How stupid is that??? That is not realistic!!! How many times does the enemy just stand there waiting for you to attack???!!! Honestly, this is the worst game i've ever played, i think teletubbies is better don't you think? Yep, teletubbies is much better. Kids who are thinking of buying this game, not all is what it seems, don't listen to these people who say its brilliant! Listen to me and hear this: Spend your money on something worth it, not this piece of junk!!! Yes you heard me! JUNK!!! Run kids, run!!! switch off the computer and never go on this site for digimon world 3 ever again!!! You'll be corrupted by its evil power!!! RUN KIDS RUN!!! As for everyone who bought the game...(sad voice) shame on you...shame on you indeed! The graphics are appualing the sound is appualing, the gameplay is appuling and the lifespan? Ages, like i said, BORING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
| if u havent played this game your out of the cool people man | | Enrique from philipines says (24/Aug/2006): | good game, good story and also includes a card battle system and the gameplay and graphics is the best among all the other digimon games ever (exept digimon rumble arena their almost the same) i should know becauze i have them all but the only downfall is the game is pretty easy to finish cuz i finished it about 6 times all with different beginnings.all i need to complete the whole game is to defeat galacticmon (all u have to do is to attack him with thunder attacks) with my newest pack the one i have now are guilmon,kumamon and patamon(all patamon is good at is healing but he can do the destiny gate attack at his ultimate level so idont make him level up at that stage)if u want me to give more hints on how to beat the game just read this review and make a new review but i could tell u this favorite thing i do with digimons ok here goes one of the hardest part is to beat the boss digimon at every place all u have to do is to follow this when you battle pharoahmon u must have ur digimon at lvl 5 all bulbmon atleast 2 digimons are at lvl 8 and so on but if you are alredy at amaterasu server u can beat all the bosses at lvl 40 2 digimons 1 any lvl at all as long as he has 1000+ hp and mp
| A serious waste of money | | A gamer from England says (14/Nov/2006): | This game is absolute rubbish, it's terrible! The graphics (and all that other stuff I can't remember what they're called) are really naff! This is a really bad game, anyone who absolutely loves it must need surgical therapy (no offence, but it's true!)! Here's a few words of advice...
DO NOT BUY THIS GAME!!!
Personally, I recommend getting Digimon World 1, it is the best game on the PS1/PSX! All the other Digimon games for PS1/PSX are really naff (Digimon Rumble Arena's ok though)!
DO NOT BUY THIS GAME!!! BUY DIGIMON WORLD 1!!! IT IS DA BEST!!!
P.S: IF YOU THINK DIGIMON WORLD 1 IS AWFUL, THEN YOUR BRAIN MUST BE MADE OF MUSHY, ROTTEN PEAS COVERED IN HORRIBLE LITTLE BITS OF POOP WITH PEE-PEE ON TOP (I'm not joking or exaggerating!!!)!!!
By the way...
DIGIMON WORLD 1 ROOLZ ALL THE PS1/PSX GAMES ON THIS GODDAMN PLANET SO MUCH, THAT I THINK EVERYONE ON THIS GODDAMN PLANET SHOLUD HAVE ONE (that is just, like, SO true!)!!!
Remember...Digimon World 3 is really naff, don't buy it, buy Digimon World 1. Ok? Ok? Good, ok...still need more words...er...so i'll say it again...Remember...Digimon World 3 is really naff, don't buy it, buy Digimon World 1. Ok? Ok? Good, ok...
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